Hey there. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Ephesians 2:8-9 Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. 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IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. Sons of vipers! Does he always heal people no. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. Again its too legalistic. Do you find them so humorous ? You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? We had no money.. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. N/A There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. G.F.F. No one knew about the marriage except us. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? If you party, DO NOT drink. I forgave through the example of Jesus. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Wherever there are people, there is sin. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. Yes, we have a tract rack. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. I can not forgive sins! you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. 46. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. Hope you have a great day! Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). Lol. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. People can ask for clarification if they want. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Not of works, lest any man should boast. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. 44. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. 34. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. I love devotions with the Lord. No, thats silly! If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. Plus they pray to the saints. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 17. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. I was sincerely disappointed. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. 19 How blind! Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. What a stupid thing to say. No member shall If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. I know the answers now. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. ? 29. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. Wow! Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. They said no mixed bathing. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. The church never knew our problems but god did. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) There isn't much out there on the web. We ARE the church my friend! The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). God forgave my husband through Christ. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. Apart from Him we can do nothing. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! 53. Some of these are very much right on the money. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Its my calling and my ministry. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. WebOur Mission. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Hypocrites! God forgave because Jesus saved. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of Thats sweet. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. Only the KJV will be used in this group; Praise the lord for forgiveness. Neither should control the other. (2 Cor. 40. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Others are very much unfair criticism. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. We reject all cooperation with this movement. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? 3. I had my part. God Bless. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Come and join. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Simply not true. 1 John 1:9 There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? 31. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Read Matthew 23 for more information. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. 7. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. OMG! We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. See if you recognize any. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. 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